Mercs agent & PI buay song

[Guest blackmercs]

So sad, adoption fee from $300++, now $10,000!!

http://www.singaporelawwatch.sg/remweb/legal/ln2/rss/legalnews/71765.html?utm_source=rss%20subscription&utm_medium=rss

[keltanky]

haiz.... its always like that, papers said worst for Beemers PIs, $20K lor...

[Guest blackmercs]

keltanky wrote:

haiz.... its always like that, papers said worst for Beemers PIs, $20K lor...

Is $30,000 for Buy More Worries

[keltanky]

ooooooo my...............:shocked:

[g8crasher]

Same core products, different specifications & different adaptations for different regions in this world.

3 players. AD, PI and unscrupulous PI.

Take 2 out of the equation and you have 1 choice.

Make the right one.

Not sure ?

Skip all, buy used MB.

Still not sure ?

Better don't drive MB.

[Guest Cklasse]

WoWo for live!

[Guest E-CAB]

If I bring my PI ride for servicing at agent also have to pay adoption fee?

Or is it only for claims under warranty?

[Guest blackmercs]

E-CAB wrote:

If I bring my PI ride for servicing at agent also have to pay adoption fee?

Or is it only for claims under warranty?

Show them the $10,000 before any discussion.

[Guest 6008]

Why ? Why must bring there for servicing ? We have capable and reliable servicing workshops who are also our sponsors . Can go to them right ?

[Guest actioneer]

6008 wrote:

Why ? Why must bring there for servicing ? We have capable and reliable servicing workshops who are also our sponsors . Can go to them right ?

Bro in my limited knowledge, under certain situations, eg 1) both keys lost or for some reason need to code new key or change car "key-code", or 2) something so deep in the CGW, display or ESP etc modules severe trouble, you will require C&C expertise/connection to Mercs Germany . Especially those PI will not reveal where their source is from so to enable the counter-party to allow eg. "key code" change....

Buying from PI is ok since servicing is never the issue. The question is when major trouble struck (which is rare), can the buyer take the losses, which can be very major, not to mention ard $200+k at stake (most of the time). Just my 2 cents...

[Guest 6008]

actioneer wrote:

Bro in my limited knowledge, under certain situations, eg 1) both keys lost or for some reason need to code new key or change car "key-code", or 2) something so deep in the CGW, display or ESP etc modules severe trouble, you will require C&C expertise/connection to Mercs Germany . Especially those PI will not reveal where their source is from so to enable the counter-party to allow eg. "key code" change....

Buying from PI is ok since servicing is never the issue. The question is when major trouble struck (which is rare), can the buyer take the losses, which can be very major, not to mention ard $200+k at stake (most of the time). Just my 2 cents...

Hi bro . If these kind of major issue arise , I "LL" pay $10k to c&c and beg them to adopt my ride . Hehe...

[Guest blackknight]

actioneer wrote:

Bro in my limited knowledge, under certain situations, eg 1) both keys lost or for some reason need to code new key or change car "key-code", or 2) something so deep in the CGW, display or ESP etc modules severe trouble, you will require C&C expertise/connection to Mercs Germany . Especially those PI will not reveal where their source is from so to enable the counter-party to allow eg. "key code" change....

Buying from PI is ok since servicing is never the issue. The question is when major trouble struck (which is rare), can the buyer take the losses, which can be very major, not to mention ard $200+k at stake (most of the time). Just my 2 cents...

Wow! 2 keys lost at the same time? I think your car will also not be around anymore..maybe kena hijacked liao...maybe all of us should go duplicate/code a third key right away?? :becky:

[Guest blackmercs]

6008 wrote:

Hi bro . If these kind of major issue arise , I "LL" pay $10k to c&c and beg them to adopt my ride . Hehe...

Even after u pay the $10k u will be treated as 2nd class citizen. No priority & got to wait for turn for repairs & servicing. All repairs hv to be pay in cash out front then reimburse you after don't-know-when.

[Guest blackmercs]

blackknight wrote:

Wow! 2 keys lost at the same time? I think your car will also not be around anymore..maybe kena hijacked liao...maybe all of us should go duplicate/code a third key right away?? :becky:

Duplicating a 3rd key is it possible?

[Guest karilaksa]

blackmercs wrote:

Duplicating a 3rd key is it possible?

if can, i want 1...any group buy?:becky:

[Guest 6008]

blackmercs wrote:

Even after u pay the $10k u will be treated as 2nd class citizen. No priority & got to wait for turn for repairs & servicing. All repairs hv to be pay in cash out front then reimburse you after don't-know-when.

F*#€ ! I hate been treated as second class citizen . For most of the time out of out life had been treated as second class already . Pay $10k already still treat as second class . Knn !

Then we will be second class citizen driving first class car ???

[Guest 6008]

blackmercs wrote:

Duplicating a 3rd key is it possible?

Our dear bro blackknight joking lah . More keys then more chances of losing keys . Actually can . I saw someone done it at c&c before . I'm sure it can be done at AD .

[Guest actioneer]

blackmercs wrote:

Duplicating a 3rd key is it possible?

Hi Bro, yes its possible, only by the AD, or super helpful PI.

Again from my limited knowledge, any Merc car has a set "key-code", so only AD or the PI's counter-party (another AD type) can duplicate a key via some authorised DAS or greater system. To do that you need to know the source + "key-code" related info for Merc Germany to allow that action or not to ban them in future. Eg in SG we lost key, spoiled key need to furnish ownership info to AD etc. Around $800/key. Think abt the time required for the "helpful PI" to get that done for you if it happens.....

But IF still not comfortable knowing that old lost key can still open your car door (eg car wash/polish shop lost your key and knows where you stay/frequent/car plate), then you can ask ONLY AD to change the Merc Car's "key-code" and re-code all keys to the new code. That is ultimate, and it costs. Only AD can do this.

Note: actually this logic applies to most high end brands that has an internal non-hackable "key-code". Please correct me if I am wrong

[Guest actioneer]

6008 wrote:

Hi bro . If these kind of major issue arise , I "LL" pay $10k to c&c and beg them to adopt my ride . Hehe...

Bro Anthony, your W212 very reliable, unless installed some funny ICE that burns the modules, I dun think u will ever need to approach C&C one :becky:

If u search web cant rem which merc major forum 1 guy W212 dealer made some mistake the whole computer system went bonkers, can die off after driving for a distance, even on highway. Luckily dealer (aka AD here) got the replacement modules from Merc Germany to fix it and then recode the central system. If PI car here then bye bye, think either have to spend a bomb or car can write off liao.

[Guest vincemerz]

Wa lao so ma fan.... drive back Honda la!!!

all these keys and PI thingy...

maybe my next ride switch back to Honda odssey ;>

10,000 adoption is really tu nai...

as longf as you dont pay 10,000, dont need go C and C for anything! maybe can bluff a cup of coffee only!

u throw $$$ to them for servicing only they will also wont do.

pls note if u go to them for servicing, MBM has teh right to void your warranty!

now the question come back is after 3 years, no more warranty by PI then if u want go servicing, which place to go and for major cock ups, where do we go if only C and C can do it?

cant be after 3 years you pay 10,000 right??!??! might as well pay now 10,000!!

[Guest kepiting1sg]

IMHO

$10K? At least MB PI buyers still have this option.

When I had a PI Audi, even U wanna pay money for $10K adoption fee - the AD do not give such option.

Imagine my worries when my PI Audi was less than 1 month old - reverse up a slope or "a little" to fast" - the reverse gear stopped working and no more reverse gear - at least the car still can go forward. It was a $8K mechatronic problem. :Cry:

Wanted to retrofit a few things - outside workshop with 3rd party software cos outside workshop do not have factory diagnostic software - can get into the ecu and see the parameters but cannot change those paramters.

There was also a "recall" during the 2nd mth but cannot go to the AD unlike MB still under Diamler.

Any firmware updates - PI cars do not get!

For me if the savings can be >20%, I may still wanna buy a PI ride if similar options or better options than AD.

[Guest vincemerz]

As the Sole Authorised Dealer for Mercedes-Benz vehicle in Singapore, we

are the official channel for retail sales. The contracted implied

warranty agreement is between the buyer and an authorised Mercedes-Benz

dealer. As your car is not retailed by us, we are unable to comment on

your warranty agreement between you and your seller.

Cycle & Carriage has over 60 years of experience, expertise and

proprietary know-how on servicing and repairing Mercedes-Benz vehicles

to factory stringent quality standards. For all cars sold via Cycle &

Carriage, Cycle & Carriage as the contracting party will ensure that all

factory stringent warranty standards and guide-lines are fulfilled. As

your car is not sold by us, a registration fee of S$10,000.00 is

applicable should you want to engage our services.

Under the terms of warranty, the following original documents must be

submitted for consideration and warranty application:

a) Vehicle Sales Invoice (from an Authorised Mercedes-Benz Importer or

Dealer) from the country of origin;

Service Booklet and Service Invoices (where applicable, to prove that

an Authorised service center has carried out all maintenance as per

recommendations by Mercedes-Benz)

c) Proof of Pre-Delivery Inspection (PDI) work being carried out by an

Authorised Mercedes-Benz PDI center.

d) Delivery Certificate from Authorised Mercedes-Benz Dealer.

We strongly encourage you to get your vehicle registered with us, send

your vehicle to our Pandan Loop Service Center at 188 Pandan Loop, for

us to properly assess your vehicle and ascertain if the specification

are suitable for the local market. Upon proper diagnosis, we will then

be able to advise on the cost of repair(if any) and if warranty coverage

is applicable, a refund will be processed upon successful claim from

factory.

Alternatively, you can approach your contracted seller to address your

concerns.

With regards to your enquiry pertaining to the service interval of your

vehicle, we would need to do some checks and verify your vehicle with

Germany,etc first as we do not have any records of your vehicle. Please

bring your vehicle to Pandan Loop Service Center with the above original

documents highlighted. Upon verification, we will then be able to advise

on the service interval for your vehicle.

[Guest E-CAB]

6008 wrote:

Why ? Why must bring there for servicing ? We have capable and reliable servicing workshops who are also our sponsors . Can go to them right ?

Agent maintained = better resale? :becky:

blackmercs wrote:

Show them the $10,000 before any discussion.

I feel 10k is very reasonable if the need to go to agent really arises.

But I trust the reliability of the brand. :bounce:

[Guest kepiting1sg]

vincemerz wrote:

As the Sole Authorised Dealer for Mercedes-Benz vehicle in Singapore, we

are the official channel for retail sales. The contracted implied

warranty agreement is between the buyer and an authorised Mercedes-Benz

dealer. As your car is not retailed by us, we are unable to comment on

your warranty agreement between you and your seller.

Cycle & Carriage has over 60 years of experience, expertise and

proprietary know-how on servicing and repairing Mercedes-Benz vehicles

to factory stringent quality standards. For all cars sold via Cycle &

Carriage, Cycle & Carriage as the contracting party will ensure that all

factory stringent warranty standards and guide-lines are fulfilled. As

your car is not sold by us, a registration fee of S$10,000.00 is

applicable should you want to engage our services.

Under the terms of warranty, the following original documents must be

submitted for consideration and warranty application:

a) Vehicle Sales Invoice (from an Authorised Mercedes-Benz Importer or

Dealer) from the country of origin;

Service Booklet and Service Invoices (where applicable, to prove that

an Authorised service center has carried out all maintenance as per

recommendations by Mercedes-Benz)

c) Proof of Pre-Delivery Inspection (PDI) work being carried out by an

Authorised Mercedes-Benz PDI center.

d) Delivery Certificate from Authorised Mercedes-Benz Dealer.

We strongly encourage you to get your vehicle registered with us, send

your vehicle to our Pandan Loop Service Center at 188 Pandan Loop, for

us to properly assess your vehicle and ascertain if the specification

are suitable for the local market. Upon proper diagnosis, we will then

be able to advise on the cost of repair(if any) and if warranty coverage

is applicable, a refund will be processed upon successful claim from

factory.

Alternatively, you can approach your contracted seller to address your

concerns.

With regards to your enquiry pertaining to the service interval of your

vehicle, we would need to do some checks and verify your vehicle with

Germany,etc first as we do not have any records of your vehicle. Please

bring your vehicle to Pandan Loop Service Center with the above original

documents highlighted. Upon verification, we will then be able to advise

on the service interval for your vehicle.

Reading on the terms & conditions i.e

Under the terms of warranty, the following original documents must be

submitted for consideration and warranty application:

a) Vehicle Sales Invoice (from an Authorised Mercedes-Benz Importer or

Dealer) from the country of origin;

Service Booklet and Service Invoices (where applicable, to prove that

an Authorised service center has carried out all maintenance as per

recommendations by Mercedes-Benz)

c) Proof of Pre-Delivery Inspection (PDI) work being carried out by an

Authorised Mercedes-Benz PDI center.

d) Delivery Certificate from Authorised Mercedes-Benz Dealer.

No PI will be able to provide these information to all 4 of them above.

So even if U wanna pay S$10k but looks like no single PI I know of can fulfill the above conditions - it's as good as U will not be able to "be adopted"

I did asked one of the CnC SE this Q on the terms on conditions for adoption - he just smiled and did not reply!:fish:

[g8crasher]

kepiting1sg wrote:

No PI will be able to provide these information to all 4 of them above.

So even if U wanna pay S$10k but looks like no single PI I know of can fulfill the above conditions - it's as good as U will not be able to "be adopted"

I did asked one of the CnC SE this Q on the terms on conditions for adoption - he just smiled and did not reply!:fish:

a. Vehicle Sales Invoice - Too sensitive a figure vs OMV declaration

b,c, - still possible (and fakeable)