Tail-gated by a Vios on NS Highway :)

[Guest AL]

On Xmas day, about 30 km to Pagoh Interchange in the direction of Melaka on the North South Expressway, I was already doing 150- 170 kmph, slowed a little cos there was a few cars in front and then sped up. A black Toyota Vios S##1963# tail-gated me. He was at most 2 or 3 car lengths behind so, at that speed, I wasnt going to risk my own car so I pulled over and let him pass and he continued to tail-gate the Malaysian car in front! Idiot driver! What did he learn at driving school?

I wonder what he was thinking... dangerous driving, lack of experience driving on highway! There is no way he can stop in time if there was a E-brake situation.

< I also have a Yaris so I know how "good" the brakes are! >

[Guest fruitcakepablohoney]

There's alot of 'vios' drivers who put gt wing, car deck out in stickers, engine bay with some air filter & minor stuff like spark plug etc... and presto!!!....new model evovoisbaru!!!

[Guest wuyiche]

Hmmm... you seem offended having to pull over for a vios... would you have felt better pulling over, :sex: if a ferrari/porsche/lamborghini was tailgating you..? ;D ;D

On Xmas day, about 30 km to Pagoh Interchange in the direction of Melaka on the North South Expressway, I was already doing 150- 170 kmph, slowed a little cos there was a few cars in front and then sped up. A black Toyota Vios S##1963# tail-gated me. He was at most 2 or 3 car lengths behind so, at that speed, I wasnt going to risk my own car so I pulled over and let him pass and he continued to tail-gate the Malaysian car in front! Idiot driver! What did he learn at driving school?

I wonder what he was thinking... dangerous driving, lack of experience driving on highway! There is no way he can stop in time if there was a E-brake situation.

< I also have a Yaris so I know how "good" the brakes are! >

[Guest nismo502]

On Xmas day, about 30 km to Pagoh Interchange in the direction of Melaka on the North South Expressway, I was already doing 150- 170 kmph, slowed a little cos there was a few cars in front and then sped up. A black Toyota Vios S##1963# tail-gated me. He was at most 2 or 3 car lengths behind so, at that speed, I wasnt going to risk my own car so I pulled over and let him pass and he continued to tail-gate the Malaysian car in front! Idiot driver! What did he learn at driving school?

I wonder what he was thinking... dangerous driving, lack of experience driving on highway! There is no way he can stop in time if there was a E-brake situation.

< I also have a Yaris so I know how "good" the brakes are! >

With all due respect. There are some cars who are road hogs in NS freeway. Some actually thought that as long as they are doing >110kmh and others though that if they are faster than the cars on the left. they are not fine. 150kmh-170kmh is fast in some perception but to others, it maybe slow. There are people who does 200kmh constant up ns freeway.

End of the, let's all be considerate drivers and not roadhog in NS freeway and unfortunately, Singaporeans are well known to do that. I guess whatever speed others are doing is none of our business.

Peace.

[Guest 9339]

Relax.....Just pull over and be a little slower to reach your destination,your day will be better.

Anyway, if i were to drive on NSHW outer most lane with a car doing 150-170km infront of me, i would have high beam him from 20 car lenght before i reached him. Many cars are doing 180-200km on extream right, this is normal.

Relax and cheers,

[Guest AL]

Some of you didnt seem to get my point so I shall elaborate.

(1) I dont sit in the fast lane, I overtake, move into the left lane. In fact I have this theory (it might be flawed) that if you are in the left lane, you will not be targetted by the police for speeding.

(2) I usually stick to a range of 100 to 130 on the NS Highway, I dont believe in speeding but I was late for a prayer session that morning so I had to make up some time. My whole family was with me in the car.

(3) It has nothing to do with whether you are driving a Vios or a Ferrari. Point is, you dont tail-gate that close at that speed. If I were to brake suddenly, I dont think the braking distance of the Vios can be shorter than my car, not considering the delayed reaction time.

[Guest 9339]

Ok, relax.... We do understand what you are trying to say.....

"Safe Driving Distance"

But, let me tell you, on NSHW, there is only 2 way to drive.

1) Drive on the left lane, follow the speed of which ever in front of you,over taking on the right must check clearly and dont underestimate those car behing you, there might be 30 cars away from you, but if you are doing 130km and they are doing 200km, in few second,they are just behind you and you are actually causing a danger.

2) Drive on the outer lane but must keep a average speed of 180-220km, on your head light, signal right all the way......that a signal of......I am doing very fast and give way to me.

Cheers and hope you have a better drive on NSHW soon....

[Guest AL]

Hey 9339, I am not offended by your preaching, just mildly amused by your condescending manner, hopefully I am wrong and I will apologise.

I am a Malaysian and I have been driving for 30 years in Malaysia, Singapore, Melbourne, Sydney and London. Trust me, I do know the etiquette of highway driving. And trust me, I am pretty sure I do know how to judge the correct distance to pull out into the over-taking lane.

While on this point, I think it is rude to flash your headlight at the guy in front, you should only do so when it is absolutely necessary. Ask yourself, if the guy behind you flashes his lights at you, what sort of impression do you get? I dont know but to me, flashing your light at him is like saying, "get out of my way." That is arrogance. Remember, we do not pay road tax in Malaysia. I have many Malaysian friends who tell me that Singaporean drivers are cocky on the Malaysian roads so it is best that we are always polite and respectful. Also, you might flash your lights at the wrong sort of Malaysians! I have a friend who flashed and over-took a white Proton during those days when the NSH was not yet in existence. At a small town ahead, there was a road block right in front of a police station and he was herded into the police station. Apparently he overtook some officer's car, who radioed ahead, set up the road block specifically for him and detained him at the station for hours. That ruined his holidays. Oh, he was my high school classmate from Johor - bloody Malaysian! Nice decent guy who wouldnt hurt a fly but his over-exuberance in his Alfa 33 got the better of him. But what if that guy is some Ah Heng or Ahmad or Rajoo who has just had a bad day? Even God cant help you in that sort of antagonistic situation in Malaysia!

On the subject of speed, it is NOT TRUE that many cars go at that sort of speed. Speed limits are there for a reason so if you are doing excessive speeds, you are also endangering others. The NSH is NOT the autobahn.

I think I opened up a can of worms but I shall reiterate. My point was, and still is, whatever your right, your abilities, your right-of-way, you do NOT tail-gate at that sort of speed at that sort of distance, period!

[Guest AL]

2) Drive on the outer lane but must keep a average speed of 180-220km, on your head light, signal right all the way......that a signal of......I am doing very fast and give way to me.

Oh sorry 9339, I missed this part of your reply but seriously you do not do that, or do you? "... headlight on, right signal all the way..." Haha, I am sure you are joking, tell me you are joking please,. Otherwise that is sheer arrogance if you did unless you are some "Yang Amat Mulia" from the royal family!

Cheers and hope you have a better drive on NSHW soon....

As a matter of fact, I usually use the old roads so I can drop by and visit my many relatives along the way, Batu Pahat, Machap, Sekudai, etc. You should try that, it is more scenic and is another aspect of motoring, enjoying the countryside, stop by to buy some fruits directly from the estate owners, pick up an inexpensive pot of plants, some aquarium fishes, Muar otak, etc.

[Guest sy69u]

2) Drive on the outer lane but must keep a average speed of 180-220km, on your head light, signal right all the way......that a signal of......I am doing very fast and give way to me.

Oh sorry 9339, I missed this part of your reply but seriously you do not do that, or do you? "... headlight on, right signal all the way..." Haha, I am sure you are joking, tell me you are joking please,. Otherwise that is sheer arrogance if you did unless you are some "Yang Amat Mulia" from the royal family!

Cheers and hope you have a better drive on NSHW soon....

As a matter of fact, I usually use the old roads so I can drop by and visit my many relatives along the way, Batu Pahat, Machap, Sekudai, etc. You should try that, it is more scenic and is another aspect of motoring, enjoying the countryside, stop by to buy some fruits directly from the estate owners, pick up an inexpensive pot of plants, some aquarium fishes, Muar otak, etc.

hi AL, i have never driven on the old roads before. mayb u can organized 1 & show us all there is to know about the scenic drive, enjoying the countryside & doing a bit of 'shopping' along the way.... oh yes, & also another aspect of motoring. would love that. shiok lah....... if u organized, i will sign up (if the date is good).

[Guest Cklasse]

AL,

your point of not following too closely to the front car is valid. I had the unfortunate experience of following a car at high speed once and within a split second of taking the eyes off the front, my car had gotten too close to the one in front when it braked to slow down.

[Guest nismo502]

Driving in NS freeways requires a lot of attention and dedication. It doesnt mean that if you are driving not speeding and you are safe. Besides looking front, I suppose we have to look rear too ya? The rear mirror is there for a lot of reasons, if you constantly check your rear view mirror whether if you are on the left or right lane, you will not fall into the situation whereby you are roadhogging someone. In your situation, you would not have risk yourself letting the VIOS tailgate you.

Usually, I keep a constant check on my rear view mirror whether if I am on the left or right lane so that I see if the car from behind is approaching fast. I avoid giving anyone an opportunity to tailgate me and stay alert of my surroundings.

There is nothing wrong or arrogant flashing and signalling the person in front. Perhaps you can interprete it as a courtesy to warn the person in front that you are driving fast and approaching them.

If we all try to look at things at the lighter positive side while we drive and avoid getting into a situation, driving experience is much more enjoyable.

Oh btw, there are a lot of VIOS out there with big brake kits, in fact more often than not, VIOS owners are more likely to mod their brakes than us. we cannot be too sure that our >1.5ton tank brakes better than them

Peace bro...

[Guest jenvid]

haha... I also want to add my 0.000000001 cts worth.

I dont know. But somehow I sense it is the Asian culture that incur all this unnecessary wrath & boil some blood pressure.

My experience in general in Msia is that perhaps other than JB near the causeway, malaysian drivers are actually quite a pleasant lot. Of course once every while you get a speedster but which country doesnt ?

The sad part really is the ugly drivers are we sillyporeans. Gotta love the govt that breed this mentality of me before others. Look at our expressway road hoggers, our infamous taxi drivers...

Really we should go Germany & drive on the autobahn... only then can we see the true meaning of discipline driving. Sorry but I have only seen Germany/Austria driving. Not sure how other countries fare.

[Guest hwong]

A good rule of thumb for me when driving is to watch my front, keep a distance from unknowns and give way to faster ones.

Safe driving everyone.

[Guest AL]

Aw, come on guys. Cut the crap and stop the preaching. Do not assume that the other guys are not as gracious or capable a driver as you are. That is condescending. As the saying goes, if you ASSUME, you make an ASS of U and ME. :banghead:

I wish to clarify for the last time that the point of my post is that one should never tail-gate, especially not at that sort of speed. So please do not go off-tangent about road-hogging, not being alert, special and better brakes, speedster, whatever. The driver of the car in front of the tail-gater is not necessarily the road hogger nor a non-alert nor inexperienced nor ungracious driver. And Jenvid, come on, please do not blame the government! That is preposterous. :whip2: Keep your 0.000000001 cent, spend it at the right time, not now.

Nismo, 2 wrongs do not make a right, please! Just because he is the road hogger doesnt mean you should tail-gate him!

And whether you have the best ceramic brakes or the best AP/Brembo calipers on your car doesnt mean you should tail-gate at high speed, it is just plain stupid! When the front car suddenly brakes, you'll need a split second to react too! Frankly I dont care if the tail-gater maims himself in the process but I dont want to be the one whose car he had to smash into, due to his stupidity. Also I get the impression that you have insinuated that I was not alert while driving. Tell me, have you not been in a situation when you are in the fast lane and have to slow down because of slow traffic in front and slow traffic on the left such that you are unable to switch left and then you have a tail-gater at high speed? Are you then a road hogger? That could well have been the scenario I was in but, again, that was NOT the point of my post.

Sorry, I cant see your point here. However, I believe the old adage "speed thrills but kills" still hold water but that is NOT the point of my post.

Regarding flashing the headlights, take time to re-consider my assertion that it is indeed construed as an arrogant act and not usually well-received. Nobody likes to be told what to do, similarly not many people on the road like to be 'told' to "move over, I am faster and I want to have the right of way to speed past". Give the guy some time to move over safely and then you speed past, he has the right to safe and relaxing motoring too. Taking to the extreme, no other drivers on the road owe you a duty to make sure you have a clear and unimpeded drive at 200kmph along the NSH. Unless you are driving an ambulane or similar emergency vehicles or you are some royalty with outriders. But I am not in support of road hoggers either.

Even if the road is empty, at 200kmph and you suddenly have a wild dog running across ... just imagine the scenario! But then, that is OK. The speedster maims himself and there is little collateral damage except perhaps the dog and the road armco barrier! I am OK with that sort of stupidity.

But nobody should drive at 200 kmph on public roads ( the Autobahn excepted) especially if he poses a risk to other road users. His act of stupidity or bravado may not get him killed but he may kill some other innocent road users who have loved ones to mourn the loss. That is inexcusable. If anyone should wish to drive at that sort of speed, he should go to Sepang! I have a group of friends who put their sports cars on a trailer to Sepang and back and the group travels to and fro Sepang in an MPV. I think that is more sensible.

But, never mind if you have a modified Vios or a Ferrari. My point was, it is not smart to tail-gate especially at high-speed.

We should really be promoting safe, responsible motoring. Tail-gating is NOT safe motoring!

Finally, guys, no offence meant and none taken. Just didnt expect my little ramblings would kick up such spirited discourse. Perhaps I should stick to Senai Chicken rice, Segamat durians and Muar Otak and assam fish? Hey, I do know a stretch of road off the Tangkak interchange where, during the durian season, you can pick the fruits from the road side because many of the durian trees 'over-shoot' the fencing! I am serious

[Guest AL]

hi AL, i have never driven on the old roads before. mayb u can organized 1 & show us all there is to know about the scenic drive, enjoying the countryside & doing a bit of 'shopping' along the way.... oh yes, & also another aspect of motoring. would love that. shiok lah....... if u organized, i will sign up (if the date is good).

SY69U. No big deal, the old roads are not a secret. You dont need me to organise, just get a map. Drive from the 2nd link, Gelang Patah and then up the old road to Pontian. There you can buy fishes, fresh from the sea, at a fraction of the price here. The great thing is that they will pack your fishes in styrofoam boxes filled with ice! Oh, not sure about the quarantine rules though. You can get durians but here the durians are not great. For that you will have to drive along the old road from Yong Peng to Labis. You are in the heart of the Segamat durian belt.

On your next trip to Melaka, do not go all the way to Ayer Keroh, save some toll charges, turn off at Pagoh, drive 20 min along the old road to Muar but about 8km just before Muar, turn right into a new road, drive across the new "stylish" 2nd Muar River bridge and soon you are on a new dual carriageway all the way to Melaka. The good thing is that this 'highway' is toll-free. You can drive fairly briskly along this road but if you have kids, they would have a great time looking at the cows and goats grazing by the fields. They will also see rice/paddy fields (they might get excited spotting the scare-crows in the paddy fields, nearer to the harvesting time). Nearer Melaka, you can buy Lemiang (coconut-milk-flavoured glutinous rice cooked in bamboo over a charcoal fire). My wife says it goes well with curry. I stay away from coconut milk though.

[Guest 9339]

Sorry if some car cant on just the head light while driving in the day......mine can :yumyum:

What i mean is on your head light not flashing your head light. By doing this will gain more attention to other road user.

Agreed with nismo...Why you want to give others a chance to tailgate you if your driving attitude are :thumbsup:, others road user will have no chance to tailgate you.

Driving in autobann, Germany......Try driving in the heart of Bangkok, my dear frenz....

K, think many of us are wasting time discuss :bboyspin: :banghead: :offtopic:

[Guest fruitcakepablohoney]

I wanna hear more from AL ley!

[Guest JGoh]

Maybe this is not 'argument'. Maybe this is only 'discussion', but just like the way we drive - SPIRITED! :angel1:

[Guest Protoss]

Aw, come on guys. Cut the crap and stop the preaching. Do not assume that the other guys are not as gracious or capable a driver as you are. That is condescending. As the saying goes, if you ASSUME, you make an ASS of U and ME. :banghead:

I wish to clarify for the last time that the point of my post is that one should never tail-gate, especially not at that sort of speed. So please do not go off-tangent about road-hogging, not being alert, special and better brakes, speedster, whatever. The driver of the car in front of the tail-gater is not necessarily the road hogger nor a non-alert nor inexperienced nor ungracious driver. And Jenvid, come on, please do not blame the government! That is preposterous. :whip2: Keep your 0.000000001 cent, spend it at the right time, not now.

This is a open forum, where any registered member can post a reply.

There isn't a need to start :2guns: at everyone.

From my understanding, there is a specific make and model sg forum where you can start your discussion.

[Guest nismo502]

AL, no offence taken...we all have our silly opinions sometimes

err...you keep saying that speeding is bad... speeding is irresponsible...speeding is..... But but but...you were doing 170kmh. I suppose it is ok then?

[Guest RedDevils]

Hi AL,

I do agree with you that travelling at that speed, it is especially dangerous to follow too closely. But sometime for the safety of your family, we just have to give way to such idiot who wish to see "yan luo wang" in such hurry. By practising defensive driving on our part, that is the best we can do I presume.

Since the incident have already occured and passed, just chill it and cool down. At least you know you and your family are still ok :thumbsup:.

Cheers!

[Guest GASTON]

On Xmas day, about 30 km to Pagoh Interchange in the direction of Melaka on the North South Expressway, I was already doing 150- 170 kmph, slowed a little cos there was a few cars in front and then sped up. A black Toyota Vios S##1963# tail-gated me. He was at most 2 or 3 car lengths behind so, at that speed, I wasnt going to risk my own car so I pulled over and let him pass and he continued to tail-gate the Malaysian car in front! Idiot driver! What did he learn at driving school?

I wonder what he was thinking... dangerous driving, lack of experience driving on highway! There is no way he can stop in time if there was a E-brake situation.

< I also have a Yaris so I know how "good" the brakes are! >

yes.... tailgating is indeed very dangerous, but you handled it well by moving to the left and diffused the situation.

Regarding having your Headlights turned ON and signalling RIGHT, IMO, it is an effective way of communicating your intention to the car ahead that you would like to pass. Most Malaysian drivers recognizes this and would usually signal LEFT and give way.

[Guest Ying]

Yes tailgating is dangerous

Budden if you do not want to get tailgated then be alert...

move in to the inner lane whenever its safe mah

And usually , singapore registered cars are the road hoggers. they drive at 110 and stay on the outer lane.

And i think flashing your headlights feels more like "hi! excuse me Im coming behind ya"

:punk1: